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JTollers (SuperAdmin) 8/30/2012 1:46 AM EST : RE: *****ROE CHANGE PLEASE READ*****
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The following changes were approved by the officers and are effectively immediately (please see RoE page and look for the 

 to help guide your eye to the effects):

  1. Added a section to the Recruit rows called "applying." This describes our 3 new ways to enter the kin. In the past we have either opened the kin to recruitment or closed it. This will in a sense allow us always to remain open with 3 distinct paths toward recruitment. We have a great and strong base of players who maintain our culture.
    • Associate Path: The kp calculation probably amounts to about 20 raid/fellowship runs with us what we deemed as a solid amount of time to understand a players interest and understanding of the kin, and the kin of the player. The officers can make adjustments if it seems reasonable to do so in the future, this is just where we are starting.
    • Family/Friend Path: We want to be family friendly and make sure we continue to be open to those who are close to all of you.
    • Discovery Path: We will make available direct recruitment to those who can fulfill a need we have for our discovery events (which are probably mostly raids). The hope here is that we can maintain a solid pool of players that can contribute to this part of the kin activities so that we can make the end game content more accessible (either sooner or more often) to the rest of the team on other nights.
  2. Clarified a section that has always been the case for F2P. We allow folks to be in kin as F2P if they get access to the content we run. We never intended to be exclusive to those who can do content but merely are missing a subscription. The intent of the rule was always to make sure we had folks who could help and participate in kin activities (pretty much the reason for joining one). 
  3. Discovery Team: We just got around to adding it in the section. It's been in place and many have seen it in the forums. The available spots will always be contingent on how many kin folk we have on the team that can actively participate. Presently there is a sprint to xpac to try to get some more t2 done. It's not anticipated that we'll have Discovery Team events every week on a regular basis. We hadn't kicked it off yet, and this is our first strech. In the future it's most likely to be 1-2x a month or as needed. This section just posts what has already been shared in the forums.

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JTollers (SuperAdmin) 1/4/2013 7:43 PM EST : RE: *****ROE CHANGE PLEASE READ*****
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The following changes were approved by the officers and are effectively immediately (please see RoE page and look for the 

 to help guide your eye to the effects):

  1. Adjusted KP needing to be earned by associates to become members from 1000KP to 500KP
  2. Made all present Raids on "Farm Status." BG, OD, and ToO T1 specified
  3. Updated the raid requirements of each raid to require players who sign up to post their 3 stats on the armour tracker
There will be some minor KP changes - but will post those later this weekend.

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JTollers (SuperAdmin) 1/13/2013 11:55 PM EST : RE: *****ROE CHANGE PLEASE READ*****
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The following changes were approved by the officers and are effectively immediately (please see RoE page and look for the 

 to help guide your eye to the effects):
  1. Added a new role to the team: "Histeward" - This role will hold a counsel position and will maintain the Crafting Hall as well as the Training Hall's guides for  Raids, References, etc. We are building a brand for these and wanted to dedicate a player that had passion towards it especially as Turbine continues to scale old content. This way the Kin's approach will be known allowing ECs and players to be prepared and informed as older content will never now be obsolete.
  2. Made a small adjustment that Tier 2 raids will require players to sign up as "Alternate" if they have not completed Tier 1. In the spirit of this, the kin will provide Tier 1 schedules raids and when it feels less needed, will turn them farm so that ECs, trainers or officers may run them at need.

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JTollers (SuperAdmin) 3/8/2013 5:28 PM EST : RE: *****ROE CHANGE PLEASE READ*****
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The following changes were approved by the officers and are effectively immediately (please see RoE page and look for the 
 to help guide your eye to the effects):
  1. Added any scaled instance to Farm
  2. Added and T1 that does not have locks to Farm

In support of this change, we had no posted objections and good conversation. I ask the team as I indicated in that thread to please review the Farm section and Group formation (right at the beginning) about what is PUG and what is kin run. If you have questions, let me know.

Trainers, ECs, Offices able to run any Farm. Please lead something you can lead - it's not a all in run crazy oppy. If you don't know the space, find an EC, Trainer, Officer that does or schedule time with one that does to learn.

I also encourage any EC and Trainer to get certified (earns KP and a medal) with Py in the raid

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JTollers (SuperAdmin) 3/15/2013 10:47 PM EST : RE: *****ROE CHANGE PLEASE READ*****
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The following changes were approved by the officers and are effectively immediately (please see RoE page and look for the 

 to help guide your eye to the effects):
  1. Small typo changes in the "Grouping" section. It has also been marked with a "" because it's a good idea to review.
  2. Added a new row in grouping to clarify distinction between Non-scheduled and Scheduled runs
  3. Clarified Fellowship leader roles in Raids
  4. Took out section that referred to master looter. Just understand that any space that still uses this (ToO for example or Helegrod) would defer to "Scheduled" (not Farm) rules depending on how it is run since there are locks and limited loot.
  5. Added clarification to Raid Leader and medals around those on Farm Status. It's always been this way, it just wasn't clearly stated and often rose questions.
  6. Clarified the KP triggers for Raid Leaders for leading the event/wing and for medal certifications they can earn. Cleaned up the wall of text around Raid Leader Certification
  7. Loot section - clarified that KP trumps on on scheduled runs and when an event has locks
  8. Updated rule around posting Raid events to apply to those that are not on Farm Status. Removed the rationale around locks as that is steadily declining as a norm.
  9. Removed requirement of title to have 'inks" after it since we no longer have alliances with active kins
  10. updated numerous spots that referred to "raids" and added "scheduled raids" where appropriate
  11. Clarified Farm Raid section to also apply to events in general.
  12. Removed requirement that it be led by an EC, Trainer or Officer - only these can schedule an event, but anyone can run a Farm event.
  13. Clarified that Farm status can still be ran if also scheduled that week so long as it is an event that doesn't have locks. Lock inherited events still cannot be ran on Farm status if scheduled during that week's raid locks.
  14. Edited several things on Farm status around new KP rules for them
  15. Added a bullet around Sub Loot rules. Farm Status must use RNG. You can be a generous player, but please do not ask others as a rule to operate a certain way around what drops in their bags. Scheduled events allow for intentional planning and KP.
  16. Reconciled two sections (one said needed a Mic another said you did not). You must have a Mic to participate in a schedule raid
  17. updated links from RoE to loot lists and KP tables - took out references in RoE to KP values that contradicted the table (that table is what is the algorithm behind the calculator
  18. updated KP section to be consistent with new rules around spending and earning eligibility of KP on Farm status events
  19. clarified the Raid Certification medals between those on Farm and those not on Farm.
  20. Lowered the amount of KP needed by Recruits to earn to become members (if choosing that path).


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JTollers (SuperAdmin) 9/22/2013 5:33 PM EST : RE: *****ROE CHANGE PLEASE READ*****
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In my attempt to "save" updates to the RoE, GP ate that entire page and produced blank screen. I am scrambling to find HTML text files or screen shots I have, and the earliest is 2 years back. I have also contacted GP to see if they do nightly back-ups and would be able to produce Sat 22 HTML for our website. Unsure.

I may have to rewrite the entire thing based on a 2010 document and this thread. Stay tuned. In the meantime you will see in the post below, the most recent changes at a high level that the officers approved in unanimity.


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JTollers (SuperAdmin) 9/22/2013 5:47 PM EST : RE: *****ROE CHANGE PLEASE READ*****
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KP is a foundational principle of this kinship rooted in how we manage participation, investment in each other, and engagement. With recent loot changes KP has diminished in value. The following changes are meant to both bring back its value aligned with its principle and strengthen our membership going forward.

Some have suggested (including those with 5k+ kp that we do an annual Zero Sum requiring everyone to really reinvest in each other. While we are not headed in that direction, we used that as a basis for the following:

1. Associates will go Zero Sum annually on the expansion date (including the forthcoming one). 
2. Associates are required to sign up for at least one event in 6 months to keep their website/associate standing with the Inks
3. Members will be required to log in once every 90 days on website and in game to maintain membership standing. Not doing so, will realign them to associate status standing.
4. Members will pay dues to the kinship in the form of Kin Points. There will be discounts provided to members who taken on some additional duties (not all roles will provide discounts)
5. Since some roles will get discounts, members holding those roles will need to meet the expectations of those roles
6. The following roles will provide discounts: ECs, Histeward, Trainers, Officers, Founders.
7. The dues for membership will be 100KP per month paid on the 1st of every month (it will be auto deducted from your table)
8. ECs - get a 20pt discount, Hist/Trainers get a 30, officers/founders get a 40
9. Recruits will not have dues
10. Raid Participation KP will be rewarded to any player who signs up as available (and is available) or signed up and attended the event for 1 hour for scheduled events
11. EC KP will go away. No other impacts to KP amounts or how you earn KP will be adjusted other than the two above mentioned
12. Dropping into negative KP and remaining that way for more than 30 days will bring you to associate standing. Officers may make exceptions or extensions if circumstances warrant

These rules are effective immediately and the first KP due payment will take place on Oct 1. (Once I can get RoE page working again, I will update it.)

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JTollers (SuperAdmin) 9/28/2013 8:48 PM EST : RE: *****ROE CHANGE PLEASE READ*****
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Thanks to Py, we used a version from 1 year ago and this thread to repost the RoE. We have also reformatted it and I am not using a HTML editor to save it and protect it.

I have not marked it with the icons because I went through the whole thing and thinned it out while adding the above. I recommend taking time to review sections of it.

Cheers,

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JTollers (SuperAdmin) 2/8/2014 5:21 PM EST : RE: *****ROE CHANGE PLEASE READ*****
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Changes are marked with a 

Summary of changes effective Feb 1
  • Improved some of my typing (minor edits) so as not to give Tory a heart attack
  • Added a bullet in General Rules around hibernation status
  • Rule addition for Family members of active members and 0KP - basically they don't lose membership so long as there is one active member that has >0 KP
  • Rule clarification that restates the officers ability to provide exceptions around KP dues for circumstances (this was already stated, we just clarified it based on some questions)

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