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Elm Strongbow (Officer) 9/6/2011 10:30 AM EST : Raid Leaders
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Hey all

Just want to say nice job on Monday night raid night.  That was by far the smoothest eChrono I have ever been involved in. 

I wanted to get everyones thoughts on growing our raid night leadership pool.  It seems to me it is the same few folks each time and I think it is important we grow our pool to ensure we have continued success when our regulars are unavailable to attend. 

I think Val/Rumbly et al have modeled great raid leadership I was particularly impressed with the eChrono (Val) & eDragon (Rumbly)last night.  This provides us with some great mentors and styles that we can observe and develop as a guild. 

My reasons for wanting to grow our raid leadership pool is to ensure we continue to raid during our downturns in guild participation.  Even with only 4 guildies on a raid can still be accomplished due to the strong leadership and clearly communicated expectations.  This can only enhance our reputation that obviously affects recruitment in a positive way.

I am not suggesting a massively formal process.  I would imagine a quick question is porposed to the guild when we start a raid.  If no one new offers up I am sure one of the regulars will step up. 

Thoughts?

Elm

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Aranel_Oronar (Officer) 9/6/2011 12:23 PM EST : RE: Raid Leaders
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I can be a raid leader for the guild if need be so val and rumbly can have a break.

and honestly the only thing that is my issue is studdering or sounds like i am nervous for some reason lol. so i give the star to val or rumbly since they are more clearier and remain calm.

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Valwhat? (Officer) 9/6/2011 7:58 PM EST : RE: Raid Leaders
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Aranel_Oronar said:
I can be a raid leader for the guild if need be so val and rumbly can have a break.

and honestly the only thing that is my issue is studdering or sounds like i am nervous for some reason lol. so i give the star to val or rumbly since they are more clearier and remain calm.


"remain calm" lol... I aspire only.

It's not really a burden to lead raids.  But I appreciate where elm is coming from.  As the guild grows, we will be constructing guild filled raids on nights other than Monday and Thursday.  The more people that know how to lead the better.

I would like to make a distinction about being a "Raid Leader" versus being a "Raid Party Leader".

Raid Leaders know what components of the party need filled (like whether a bard is needed or not, what should the tank's HP be, etc.) and they know how the raid should go.  Raid Leaders can explain the raid to the group, assign roles, define expectations, and set the play in motion.

Raid Party Leaders
are more like tacticians.  They do all of the above and they watch each player execute his or her role as it is happening.  The Raid Party Leader has a strong working knowledge of every class and role, can fine tune tasks to suit people's strengths, and most importantly can direct the flow of action as it is occurring by either reinforcing the current strategy, changing strategy, or even changing people's roles on the fly.

Raid Party Leaders are the people who can help save raids when things go bad.

People like Rumbly, Vulcano, Myself, and some others are more like "Raid Party Leaders".  You DO NOT have to be a raid party leader to run raids.  As long as you know the gist of the raid and can assign roles, you don't even need a mic to lead a raid.  If the raid fails, it's not your fault, it just happens sometimes.

With that said, MOST of our guild has the pre-requisites to be "Raid Leaders"... we've run these raids enough to know how they should go and who does what.  Don't be afraid to lead a raid... who knows, you might even like it!

Val
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Rheebus (Council) 9/7/2011 4:51 AM EST : RE: Raid Leaders
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Valwhat? said:
Aranel_Oronar said:
I can be a raid leader for the guild if need be so val and rumbly can have a break.

and honestly the only thing that is my issue is studdering or sounds like i am nervous for some reason lol. so i give the star to val or rumbly since they are more clearier and remain calm.


"remain calm" lol... I aspire only.

It's not really a burden to lead raids.  But I appreciate where elm is coming from.  As the guild grows, we will be constructing guild filled raids on nights other than Monday and Thursday.  The more people that know how to lead the better.

I would like to make a distinction about being a "Raid Leader" versus being a "Raid Party Leader".

Raid Leaders know what components of the party need filled (like whether a bard is needed or not, what should the tank's HP be, etc.) and they know how the raid should go.  Raid Leaders can explain the raid to the group, assign roles, define expectations, and set the play in motion.

Raid Party Leaders
are more like tacticians.  They do all of the above and they watch each player execute his or her role as it is happening.  The Raid Party Leader has a strong working knowledge of every class and role, can fine tune tasks to suit people's strengths, and most importantly can direct the flow of action as it is occurring by either reinforcing the current strategy, changing strategy, or even changing people's roles on the fly.

Raid Party Leaders are the people who can help save raids when things go bad.

People like Rumbly, Vulcano, Myself, and some others are more like "Raid Party Leaders".  You DO NOT have to be a raid party leader to run raids.  As long as you know the gist of the raid and can assign roles, you don't even need a mic to lead a raid.  If the raid fails, it's not your fault, it just happens sometimes.

With that said, MOST of our guild has the pre-requisites to be "Raid Leaders"... we've run these raids enough to know how they should go and who does what.  Don't be afraid to lead a raid... who knows, you might even like it!

Val


Wow, I got a mention in Val's post!  I am the droid you are looking for.  ;)

Remember when I was kiting Nyth and the shades on Monday night, rezzing the healers?  Then we wiped?  doh!
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Elm Strongbow (Officer) 9/7/2011 8:31 AM EST : RE: Raid Leaders
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Good distinctions Val.  Using those 2 categories I would like to see more people practice the Raid Party Leader role.  I believe this skill is critical for not only growing as a player but also being able to run raids with Pugs and succeed.  Which again, enhances our guild in so many ways.

I would propose we see if we have any volunteers during the next raid night and take it from there.

Elm

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Rumblytumbly (Council) 9/7/2011 12:29 PM EST : RE: Raid Leaders
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Rheebus said Wow, I got a mention in Val's post!  I am the droid you are looking for.  ;)

Remember when I was kiting Nyth and the shades on Monday night, rezzing the healers?  Then we wiped?  doh!


I was sure we were going to pull that one out ... it just seemed like it was meant to happen.  Until ...
 
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Valwhat? (Officer) 9/7/2011 1:36 PM EST : RE: Raid Leaders
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Yeah that ToD misshap is a great example of when a Raid Party Leader *should* have been paying attention.  When we started that fight I should have clearly designated other kiters and I should have been watching the AoE on the foot of the stairs.

From what I understand, dog got cornered and could not get back to the dais to put down more AoE... then new shadowfiend spawns came up to play with us.  Vulcano took over kiting, but it was too late.

It was my fault for not making sure our backups were at the ready with AoE on the stairs.

On Elite it's good to have the kiter place AoE at the bottom of the stairs and the second kiter to keep AoE placed at the top of the stairs to create a redundant aggro diversion away from the Nyth DPS group just in case one slips by, etc.

No biggy...

Val

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Bigdog123 (Council) 9/7/2011 3:56 PM EST : RE: Raid Leaders
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Actually i shouldn't have tried to take a shortcut back to u guys. Should have just kept kiting and rezzed ppl if needed. My shortcut ended up getting kme killed and gave u guys 2 many to heal through

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