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Valdaglerion (Guild Admin) 11/2/2009 10:09 PM EST : Separate Raids From All Other Events
Valdaglerion
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I submitted a feature request but would like to discuss this here and see how other Guild leaders and webmasters work around this problem.

Currently, Guildportal does not differentiate between raids and and other type of event on the calendar.  This is different from all the other guild management sites I've seen.  We want to allow all guild members to be able to add small events to the calendar but the only way to do that right now is to give them "events admin" access. That means they can also delete events, add raid points, etc.  This is a problem.

We want to separate basic events from raids.  Whit I'm envisioning is a new checkbox on the member admin panel called "event entry" access.  Members with this access level could enter an event via a new popup box which would be a simplified version of the current calendar event editor.  This new box would not allow raid points or drops to be entered and would not be tracked by the Raid Point Standings content box.  The Raid Point Standings box would only track attendance for raids not all events.

The current event entry box would only be accessible to those with "Events Admin" access.  Thus, only those with that level of access would be able to enter official guild raids, raid points and drops.

Everyone else could enter basic events such as meetings, birthdays, get-togethers, etc. but not raids.

Until something like this is implemented, we risk members accidentally messing things up as they add new events to the calendar.  For those guilds that raid, how do you get around this?  Do you only allow raids to be on the calendar?  What if you're trying to organize a meeting or just a quest night?
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Valdaglerion (Guild Admin) 11/3/2009 2:54 PM EST : RE: Separate Raids From All Other Events
Valdaglerion
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Any suggestions from other guild leaders while I wait to hear back from Aaron?  How do you handle members posting events?  Do you give everyone event admin access?  How do you separaret raids from non-raid events?
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Merenwench (MVP) 11/3/2009 5:10 PM EST : RE: Separate Raids From All Other Events
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With our guild, part of being a member is getting event admin. I trust each and every member with this title and in the 3yrs that our guild has been together we have never had an issue with any malicious activities.


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Valdaglerion (Guild Admin) 11/3/2009 6:57 PM EST : RE: Separate Raids From All Other Events
Valdaglerion
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I'm not worried so much about malicious activities as members' making mistakes and causing problems.  The event follow-ups, for example, are really for raids but a member with good intentions could go in after a questing event and mess things up.  Members shouldn't really even need to do follow ups for simple events, yet the statistics from these events are displayed in the raid tracker (and shouldn't be).

For example, say four members post and run different quest night events.  They don't go in afterward and mark who attended.  In the raid tracker content type, these members are shown as having missed raids because they were never marked as attended for events.

Again, I really see a need to separate basic events such as questing, meetings and RP events from the raid system altogether.
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Aaron Lewis (Blue Collar) 11/3/2009 7:06 PM EST : RE: Separate Raids From All Other Events
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Aaron Lewis
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Valdaglerion said:
I'm not worried so much about malicious activities as members' making mistakes and causing problems.  The event follow-ups, for example, are really for raids but a member with good intentions could go in after a questing event and mess things up.  Members shouldn't really even need to do follow ups for simple events, yet the statistics from these events are displayed in the raid tracker (and shouldn't be).

For example, say four members post and run different quest night events.  They don't go in afterward and mark who attended.  In the raid tracker content type, these members are shown as having missed raids because they were never marked as attended for events.

Again, I really see a need to separate basic events such as questing, meetings and RP events from the raid system altogether.


Well... We've got Event Categories on the list, but I was thinking they'd mostly be for stuff like displaying different background colors, filtering the calendar, etc... But the categories could also include a simple true/false for whether events falling into them should be applied to the statistics for attendance and all that.

For sure, I like the idea of each category having its own security setting for adding events.

The only problems these two things create are, I was planning on making it possible for events to fall into more than just one category.  What to do in case of a conflict on those settings?  Or just do away with multiple categories for a single event and just add another category if needed?  What do you all think?
Aaron Lewis, GuildPortal.com
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Valdaglerion (Guild Admin) 11/4/2009 3:27 AM EST : RE: Separate Raids From All Other Events
Valdaglerion
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I suppose that might work, Aaron.  If the "Raid" event category was able to have access set separately so that only officers (for example) would have access.  Further, I wouldn't even add the optional "true/false for whether events falling into them should be applied to the statistics for attendance and all that."  The current "Raid Point Standings" content needs to be just that - raid standings and raid standings only not standings for all events.

So, I envision the Raid Event Category to be essentially what we have now except that it would have its own access level.  All other categories would be simpler - no raid points entry and no follow-ups (thus no raid point, attendance or item drops).  Raid Events would be tracked in the Raid point Standings content.  All other event categories would not.
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Huthur (New Admin) 12/15/2009 10:31 AM EST : RE: Separate Raids From All Other Events
Huthur
Posts: 458
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This is not currently the top of my list, as our guild don't use the DKP system, or uses the event system for other stuff than regular activities that's added by admins. But I do support the suggestions. It would be nice in the long run to have a separate raid category.
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AbbydonKrafts (New Admin) 2/7/2010 1:50 PM EST : RE: Separate Raids From All Other Events
AbbydonKrafts
Posts: 67
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I like this idea. With FFXI, events are definitely multi-level. I don't mind so much about the administrative part since my wife is co-leader and can take part, but it does make it a hassle when someone wants to set up a small quest event without going through an admin. There's no way that FFXI LS members can get Event powers. All seasoned FFXI players can tell you that loyalty is a rare thing in that game, so it's not possible to give all members that much power.

Being able to assign access levels to different Event categories would be good. If an Event has more than one category, then the highest level would apply.
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Huthur (New Admin) 2/22/2010 3:44 AM EST : RE: Separate Raids From All Other Events
Huthur
Posts: 458
Fingers of Fury!

Aaron Lewis said:
Well... We've got Event Categories on the list, but I was thinking they'd mostly be for stuff like displaying different background colors, filtering the calendar, etc... But the categories could also include a simple true/false for whether events falling into them should be applied to the statistics for attendance and all that.

For sure, I like the idea of each category having its own security setting for adding events.

The only problems these two things create are, I was planning on making it possible for events to fall into more than just one category.  What to do in case of a conflict on those settings?  Or just do away with multiple categories for a single event and just add another category if needed?  What do you all think?


Exactly. A way of marking the events for statistics (raids) or not would be great. "Make event count towards DKP stats" or a similar check box. We have been using the calendar for a long time now, but not used DKP until now. This makes the statistics very very screwed up by the time you actually start using it.

If you can add several categories on one event, and you have security settings for several categories, just make the strictest setting apply. This is how Access Control Lists is used in Windows among others.

IF you are going to look at the categories, I hope you'll fix the problem with the colors not sticking and so on. More info on this in the help forums.
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