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RetributionJil (New Admin) 7/30/2007 10:48 AM EST : CSS Woes (crosspost)

RetributionJil
Posts: 29
Becoming Adept!

Hi. Sorry for the crosspost, but I might have posted in the wrong forum earlier.

My problem is that I'm trying to upload a custom css file for my guild, but:

1. The default GuildPortal page design keeps overriding it; don't know why. I've pasted my style sheet into the custom text editor, hit "enable", saved it ... and ta-da!  Default page in slightly different colors.

2. Clearly, I can't use 'index.html' as the homepage file name ... what do I use instead?

Probably easy answers, but I'm just getting into css designs. Be kind and help the noob.
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~Dealla~ (Guild Admin) 8/1/2007 6:38 AM EST : RE: CSS Woes (crosspost)

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As far as I know, you can not create and use a completely different stylesheet.  The custom CSS you can use and the GP will recognize simply modifies the existing base template.  It sounds like you are wanting GP to be  more like a webhost rather than a preset page that can be changed and customized.  I may be way off on that though, so who knows.  Good luck!

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RetributionJil (New Admin) 8/1/2007 7:01 AM EST : RE: CSS Woes (crosspost)

RetributionJil
Posts: 29
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Thanks for the help, Dealla    That is exactly what I needed to know.


And now my reply to GP:


Jeez. We're paying to have the same page as everyone else?  How ... substandard!   And no, I don't consider being able to pick a different colored border "fully customizable".

  
Bah! 





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~Dealla~ (Guild Admin) 8/1/2007 11:10 AM EST : RE: CSS Woes (crosspost)

~Dealla~
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It is actually much more customizable than just borders and colors   It just takes a bit to figure out how to tweak it to work for you.  Take a look through all of the spotlight guilds listed on the front page and you'll see how diverse they can end up looking.  However, it is not a web host 

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Aaron Lewis (Blue Collar) 8/1/2007 11:16 AM EST : RE: CSS Woes (crosspost)
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Aaron Lewis
Posts: 1979
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RetributionJil said:
And now my reply to GP:

Jeez. We're paying to have the same page as everyone else?  How ... substandard!   And no, I don't consider being able to pick a different colored border "fully customizable".
  
Bah! 


Well... It's more like a content management system, where the basic layout is all there, and you can optionally change the pages, select content that you want (with some of the content having options of its own), etc.

For example, you can use either tabs or the side-planted links as navigation for your users, and the tabs can have active/inactive images that you provide.  You can also provide all of your HTML (with your own, custom CSS class names) for the left, center and right content containers, with only the content itself and the header text required -- wherever you want them places in the context of the container HTML.

So in a way it is kind of an out-of-the-box solution that might not be ideal if you have a programmer in the guild with tons of free time. It might also be a bonus (to roll your own CMS) if you didn't necessarily enjoy that programmer's company in-game, either 

All kidding aside, the pages are just a front-end for a wireframe with a header area, three content zones, and a footer.  The content controls are the meat of it.  As far as style goes, with your custom CSS you can define all kinds of things, not limited to what you can do with the point-and-click tools in the Control Panel.  Some of the content types even have their own, undocumented (to be remedied) CSS classes that you can include in a custom stylesheet if you like, especially forums.  To see what I mean, open a guild page with forums, view the source, and do a search for "class".  Do that on the main forum view, the listing of topics, and the message listing to see what I mean.  Lots of ways to customize your site.

So really the similarities come down to things like: 2 or 3-pane content organization (pretty much a standard -- more than that and the page looks crazy crowded), familiar ways of doing things (like how the forums are.  We rarely get tickets asking how to post a message to a forum), etc.  Most of the things that are hard-coded in appearance are that way to avoid confusion, sacrificing a little bit of customization for the sake of simplicity for your guild members.

But just so you can get a better idea of how customizable your site is, take a look at some of the following examples.  If you see something that you can't do but you believe you should be able to do, please let us know via a Feature Request:

http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?GuildID=40834&TabID=361058
http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?GuildID=154946&TabID=1314127
http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?GuildID=63417&TabID=550641
http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?GuildID=18402&TabID=165845
http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?GuildID=101492&TabID=868959
http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?GuildID=17911&TabID=161507

Now as far as providing your own custom pages, by uploading externally created files with script in them, that's something we can't really support.  For one, any server-side script would be a no-no, and client-side scripting wouldn't get you much functionality without some kind of back-end data store.  Opening up connections to a remote store might be a way to do it, but again, those would be sockets our web servers would have to hold open while waiting for a response from the remote server, and if the remote server didn't have the kind of back-end mojo ours did, it could result in time-outs, and TCP/IP connections are pretty hefty things to maintain in an open state when you've got thousands of people hitting each web server with requests every second.
Aaron Lewis, GuildPortal.com
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RetributionJil (New Admin) 8/3/2007 7:55 AM EST : RE: CSS Woes (crosspost)

RetributionJil
Posts: 29
Becoming Adept!

Aw, I'm over it; I just really liked the setup I had going and was disappointed I couldn't use it after all my work.

I cobbled up something decent - ’tis enough, ’twill serve:


Black Dragon Clan

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~Dealla~ (Guild Admin) 8/6/2007 1:38 AM EST : RE: CSS Woes (crosspost)

~Dealla~
Posts: 701
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RetributionJil said:
Aw, I'm over it; I just really liked the setup I had going and was disappointed I couldn't use it after all my work.

I cobbled up something decent - ’tis enough, ’twill serve:


Black Dragon Clan



Wow, very nice!  Looks amazing!

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RetributionJil (New Admin) 8/7/2007 3:12 PM EST : RE: CSS Woes (crosspost)

RetributionJil
Posts: 29
Becoming Adept!

Why, thank you    I'm pretty pleased with it, too.

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